DragonFlyBSD Project Update - colo upgrade, future trends

Samuel J. Greear sjg at evilcode.net
Tue Jul 30 11:59:57 PDT 2019

It's possible to have ones cake and eat it too in this regard.

Many of the available options in web form software allow for emailing of a
periodic digest.


On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 12:36 PM Jasse Jansson <jasse at yberwaffe.com> wrote:

> Well, personally I haven't been using DFly the last few years, but I do
> like to get updates from this mail-list.
> Web-based forums only works for those who checks it at least twice a
> week, the rest of us gets out of the loop really fast.
> Please keep the "users" maillist as a occasionally newsfeed for those of
> us that have old Fords to renovate..
> On 2019-07-29 19:10, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> > On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 10:27, Matthew Dillon <dillon at backplane.com
> > <mailto:dillon at backplane.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     The mailing list software has been less than stellar, but the
> >     bigger problem is in areas that we have very little control over.
> >     We have no control over other people's spam filters, and the
> >     mailing list software itself has to deal with a constant influx of
> >     spam (which is why you have to be subscribed, now).   It is almost
> >     impossible to manage it any other way.  Nearly all of the internet
> >     has moved on to WWW based forum-like mechanisms because they are a
> >     whole lot easier to manage.  We're going to have to as well.
> >
> >     I feel that we do not have a choice here. Privately-run mail
> >     systems, in general, are almost dead due to the spam load.  I have
> >     to forward my own personal domain email through GMail just to be
> >     able to continue using it and my GMail spam mailbox consistently
> >     contains more than 3000 spams in it (30-day expiration, so ...
> >     100+ spams per day). And that doesn't count the ones Google
> >     auto-deletes immediately or the ones my smtp server discards.
> >      I've tried everything possible to keep my personal domain and
> >     dragonfly's domain email usable but its an impossible task.
> >
> >     -Matt
> >
> >
> > Yes, but it works on OpenBSD.org — the confirmation emails do the
> > trick, and are a much better option than simply discarding emails from
> > non-subscribers.  Greylisting through PF spamd is also an option.
> > Personally, I do passive fingerprinting based on OS in my PF(4) spamd
> > setup, which means that most of my mail isn't even subject to
> > greylisting (e.g., Linux and BSD go directly to the real SMTP daemon,
> > whereas all the botnets have to go through spamd first).  Another
> > option is to use greytrapping, including through a secondary
> > low-priority MX IP address.
> >
> > Yes, I agree; the mailing list software may be less than stellar, but
> > it's still better than any forum software I've ever encountered.  If
> > folks want forum-like functionality, there's already Reddit and
> > Lobsters available as options. (Plus, forum software is not exactly
> > immune from spam, either.)
> >
> > C.
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