Argh, Stray interrupts 2006

[Danial Thom]

Thats why you need a substantial staff to do what
you're attempting to do. Whats going to happen
when your customer base grows to beyond the 32
guys who think you're God?

You've clearly made the problem worse, and you'll
have to decide whether you want to fix it, or
have people reject using your OS. Thats what
product development is all about. People don't
want to hear why it doesn't work right. They just
want it to work. At some point you'll have to
come to terms with that, or you'll fail.

DT

--- Matthew Dillon <dillon at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

>    Er.  Danial, you are just being an idiot
> now.  Programmers are
>    lazy?  Why don't YOU try to reverse engineer
> an ethernet card
>    with half a dozen HARDWARE bugs in it
> without vendor documentation!
> 
>    Vendors not only do not provide
> documentation, they also tend to 
>    hide hardware bugs and deny their existance.
>  In fact, *MOST* general
>    purpose PC chipsets these days are chock
> full of hardware bugs, nearly
>    ALL undocumented by the vendor.  Vendors
> come out with chip revs every
>    other month, each with their own set of
> quirks.  There are over *200*
>    ATA chipsets out there, probably even more,
> and just as many ethernet
>    chipsets.  Hundreds of chipsets containing
> tens of hundreds of
>    undocumented hardware bugs.  Buggy BIOSes. 
> Buggy firmware.  Even buggy
>    CPUs (but at least Intel and AMD document
> those bugs)!
> 
>    You seem to believe that this stuff is
> somehow easy to figure out. 
>    And, worse, you seem to believe that we
> somehow have an obligation to
>    drop everything at your whim and spend all
> our time solving your
>    problems.  Well, I got news for you... it is
> NOT easy to figure out,
>    and we have no such obligation.
> 
>    Open source works because the people
> involved are willing to spend
>    their own time and money solving problems,
> and because both programmers
>    and users alike enjoy a sense of community. 
> EVERYONE works hard to 
>    achieve their goals.  But you don't seem to
> think that you have any
>    obligation at all as an end-user.  You seem
> to believe that you can 
>    denigrate people and make accusations, call
> people lazy, etc etc etc,
>    and you STILL expect people to solve your
> problems?  That's pretty stupid,
>    dude!
> 
>    I will tell you straight out that I have no
> desire whatsoever to help 
>    you.   In fact, I am very close to banning
> you from the mailing lists
>    alltogether because you are becoming
> seriously harmful to our community.
> 
>    You seem to believe that you are somehow
> owed help and that you
>    don't have to give anything back in return
> (not even a friendly
>    conversation, apparently).  You seem to
> believe that a programmer can
>    sit down and in a few hour solve your worst
> nightmare of a problem, and
>    you seem to believe that you can put down
> people and then still expect
>    them to drop everything to help you.  You
> seem to believe that hardware
>    is somehow simple and obvious and easy to
> decipher.
> 
>    Well, I got news for you, Danial.  That
> isn't reality.  The reality is
>    that sometimes the simplest bug.. a one line
> error in code for example,
>    is the hardest to find.  The reality is that
> the 60 seconds you spend in
>    your armchair writing out yet another stupid
> email is nothing compared
>    to the MAN-WEEKS it can sometimes take a
> real programmer to track down
>    a bug.  The reality is that third party
> vendors in the general purpose
>    PC arena don't give a flying crap about open
> source or open operating
>    systems and tend to be more interested in
> covering their own asses then
>    in actually producing reliable hardware. 
> The reality is that hardware
>    is COMPLEX.  Do you think an ethernet
> chipset just pushes packets and
>    pulls packets in?  That's just the tip of
> the iceberg.  That isn't
>    reality.
> 
>    If you want your problems solved, then you
> have to get down and dirty and
>    help track them down on your own time.  And
> I'm not talking about spending
>    60 seconds writing yet another armchair
> email.  I'm talking about
>    dedicating real time to solving your
> problems, just like *WE* do.
> 
>    And that is my last word on the subject.
> 
> 						-Matt
> 
> 


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