Compatability with FreeBSD Ports

Chris Pressey cpressey at
Thu Aug 18 11:31:52 PDT 2005

Just to tie this up:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:09:14 +0200
Joerg Sonnenberger <joerg at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> You could separate configuration and installation phase like Debian
> does, but that would shift only the problem.

What you call "only shifting" I call "seperation of concerns," I

> > But do you have any *existing* examples?
> Firefox. It builds the "registry" on the target system as part of the
> install script. It's not 100% required,

Then it's not a very good example.

> Well, there's nothing wrong with using pkgsrc on Linux, so it is not
> that hypothecial. The question is what is easier to maintain and
> verify -- the scripts which are actually going to be run or a large
> list of classes which cover all absurd cases.

The number of classes would always be smaller than the number of
individual scripts, so it would inevitably be easier to maintain.

> > > I don't see what is messy and insecure here. 
> > 
> > @cwd, @exec, @unexec.
> @cwd is mostly used to save space, in pkgsrc everything goes under
> /usr/pkg by default anyway. Situation can be a bit different for
> pkgviews. BTW, this should normally (if not always) be automatically
> created by pkg_create. For exec and unexec, well, they are used e.g.
> to register texinfo pages and the like. They could be replaced by
> proper mechanisms, I think OpenBSD did a lot in that regard lately.

By saying that they could be replaced by proper mechanisms, you imply
that you do not consider them proper either - so we agree, despite your
prior evasiveness.

> > Setting everything else up correctly *is not best viewed as just a
> > matter of scripting a bunch of commands*.
> How should it be viewed instead?

As constraints on the organization of resources.

> > Although I'm no fan of the buzzword, the ideal one would be
> > "domain-specific" and almost certainly not invented yet.
> So you suggest switching to different language, invest the time to
> maintain it, fix the bug, learn the language. Sorry, I don't buy that.

No, I do not suggest that.  As I said in my last message, I am not
saying "don't use pkgsrc".  By all means, use pkgsrc, if it is
better than ports.

What I _am_ saying is that there _are_ flaws in pkgsrc, and that we
should not be afraid of admitting that and talking about them.  The
reaction I have seen from pkgsrc's advocates so far has not been very
graceful in that respect, however, and in that I am disappointed.


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