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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 10:10  AM, Craig Dooley wrote:

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I definitely agree that the user system should be built using packages.
People dont care about downloading a 300meg source tree and waiting an 
hour
to get a new release.  Yes rpm systems are a hassle to upgrade, but 
debian
has shown that you dont need source for a system.  Debian allows 
someone to
do dpkg --get-selections > profile and have a list of programs to 
duplicate a
current working system.  I like the environment idea to allow multiple
instances of needed dependancies (it would fix things like debian with 
libpng
or freebsd with freetype) but unless I am missing something, we're 
still
gonna need a build system to create these packages.  Also, a database 
backed
approach seems the easies way to conserve bandwidth and allow full 
updates.
In my opinion, in the end, we should have a "buildworld" just rebuild 
all the
base packages and update them that way.  People who care about the 
source can
get it just as easily, and people that dont won't ever have to worry.  
Also,
will ports stay with just a new backend for building packages?  Will 
there be
a new build environment?  A binary downloading frontend seems a 
necessity now
also.  Just my thoughts

On Tuesday 22 July 2003 05:32 pm, Thierry Herbelot wrote:
Matthew Dillon wrote:
    The eventual goal is to make *ALL* userland applications, 
including
    things like cp, ls, etc... all operate through the packaging 
system,
    and remember that it is the packaging system's goal to support
    installation of multiple versions of anything without conflict.
oh no ! please !

a fine-grained packaging system used for the core OS is just a pain : 
I'm
fed up with DeathTrap or Mandrake or Suse or .... with their 
thousands of
rpm's
- how do you upgrade such a machine ? (with something intelligent like
portupgrade ? but there are lots of oldish shared libs left behind)
- how do you duplicate a machine ? (preferably with some automatic
procedure) after living some time, it's very difficult to know the 
smallest
set of base rpms you have to select to get the same install (with the 
other
packages going in via dependencies)

One big selling point of FreeBSD is the relative ease of configuration
description : get the full OS, then add a smallish number of outside
packages.
        TfH
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- -Craig
cd5697 at xxxxxxxxxx
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