<div dir="auto"><div>It's possible to have ones cake and eat it too in this regard.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Many of the available options in web form software allow for emailing of a periodic digest.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sam</div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 12:36 PM Jasse Jansson <<a href="mailto:jasse@yberwaffe.com">jasse@yberwaffe.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Well, personally I haven't been using DFly the last few years, but I do <br>
like to get updates from this mail-list.<br>
Web-based forums only works for those who checks it at least twice a <br>
week, the rest of us gets out of the loop really fast.<br>
Please keep the "users" maillist as a occasionally newsfeed for those of <br>
us that have old Fords to renovate..<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2019-07-29 19:10, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:<br>
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 10:27, Matthew Dillon <<a href="mailto:dillon@backplane.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dillon@backplane.com</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dillon@backplane.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dillon@backplane.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> The mailing list software has been less than stellar, but the<br>
> bigger problem is in areas that we have very little control over. <br>
> We have no control over other people's spam filters, and the<br>
> mailing list software itself has to deal with a constant influx of<br>
> spam (which is why you have to be subscribed, now). It is almost<br>
> impossible to manage it any other way. Nearly all of the internet<br>
> has moved on to WWW based forum-like mechanisms because they are a<br>
> whole lot easier to manage. We're going to have to as well.<br>
><br>
> I feel that we do not have a choice here. Privately-run mail<br>
> systems, in general, are almost dead due to the spam load. I have<br>
> to forward my own personal domain email through GMail just to be<br>
> able to continue using it and my GMail spam mailbox consistently<br>
> contains more than 3000 spams in it (30-day expiration, so ...<br>
> 100+ spams per day). And that doesn't count the ones Google<br>
> auto-deletes immediately or the ones my smtp server discards. <br>
> I've tried everything possible to keep my personal domain and<br>
> dragonfly's domain email usable but its an impossible task.<br>
><br>
> -Matt<br>
><br>
><br>
> Yes, but it works on OpenBSD.org — the confirmation emails do the <br>
> trick, and are a much better option than simply discarding emails from <br>
> non-subscribers. Greylisting through PF spamd is also an option. <br>
> Personally, I do passive fingerprinting based on OS in my PF(4) spamd <br>
> setup, which means that most of my mail isn't even subject to <br>
> greylisting (e.g., Linux and BSD go directly to the real SMTP daemon, <br>
> whereas all the botnets have to go through spamd first). Another <br>
> option is to use greytrapping, including through a secondary <br>
> low-priority MX IP address.<br>
><br>
> Yes, I agree; the mailing list software may be less than stellar, but <br>
> it's still better than any forum software I've ever encountered. If <br>
> folks want forum-like functionality, there's already Reddit and <br>
> Lobsters available as options. (Plus, forum software is not exactly <br>
> immune from spam, either.)<br>
><br>
> C.<br>
<br>
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